Priest Becomes AA Member after Indictment of Child Pornography

Ballwin priest sentenced to 3 years for child pornography

Assistant U.S. Attorney Rob Livergood said in court that in 2010 Ballwin police confiscated a computer and cellphone belonging to the Rev. William Vatterott, 37, that had been used to store and send explicit photos of a male minor. Investigators found 20 images of child pornography and emails of male genitalia.

Vatterott, dressed in a dark suit and white shirt — not in a priest’s collar — did not dispute any of the facts of Livergood’s narrative. AA Daytona member harasses locals.

 Vatterott was ordained in 2003. He was associate pastor at Holy Infant Church in Ballwin, then became pastor of St. Cecilia Parish, at 5418 Louisiana Avenue, in 2008.

In a statement, the archdiocese said Vatterott has been on administrative leave from St. Cecilia since June 2011, when officials there were told of “allegations involving inappropriate electronic communications received by a minor and an incident of underage drinking.”

“The Archdiocese has cooperated fully with federal authorities in this process,” the statement said. NA Daytona meetings in Sunrise Park refusing to pay rent.

A Holy Infant parishioner whose sons were friendly with Vatterott read a statement to the court in which she alleged actions that went beyond child pornography.

“Father Vatterott violated my sons and invaded my family with his perversions,” she said. “I am vindicated knowing we were right about this man. Priest or not, what he has done is wrong.”

Vatterott said in his own statement to the court that he was “truly sorry for what I’ve done,” and blamed his behavior on alcoholism.

“Forever in my life, I’ll be paying for these mistakes,” he said. “I’ll do everything I can to become holier, to become healthier.”

When U.S. District Judge E. Richard Webber reminded Vatterott that “this was more about being a sex offender than an alcoholic,” Vatterott returned to talking about his alcoholism.

“These actions were done under the influence of alcohol,” said Vatterott, who is now enrolled in Alcoholics Anonymous. “Without alcohol in my life, these kinds of mistakes will not be made.”

Asked outside court about the judge’s concern that Vatterott was blaming alcohol for his behavior, the priest’s attorney, Charles Billings, said “that was the judge’s interpretation.”

“I think (Vatterott) has taken full responsibility for all his conduct,” he said.

An Archdiocese spokeswoman said Vatterott would no longer be paid now that he had pleaded guilty. The Archdiocese will forward Vatterott’s case to the Vatican to determine whether he should be laicized, or removed from the priesthood.

Drunk Indiana AA Member Arrested for Starting Fights at Linton Church AA Meeting

Mary K. Brian

How about that an AA member drunk and starting fights at an AA meeting. These are stories AA and NA love to cover up. Not a healthy or safe place to send your loved ones or take your kids with you.

Woman accused of being intoxicated and trying to start fights at an AA meeting

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By Anna Rochelle, Co-Editor

One woman was arrested Monday after police got a call that an intoxicated woman was starting fights in a church in Linton where several people were trying to have an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. Holly Hill NA Daytona Meetings in Hollyland Park refusing to pay rent.

Mary Kathleen Brian, 45, of Bloomfield was booked into the Greene County Jail where her bond was set at $500 surety. She was released after posting $50 cash and is due to appear in Greene Superior Court next Monday. AA Daytona Meetings in Daytona Beach.

Officer Nick Yingling was on patrol when he was dispatched to the church and was met by a man standing outside saying the woman was inside the building fighting with people.

He reported that as he walked inside the church, he saw three people who were trying to hold Brian down. He said she was swinging her arms with closed fists trying to hit them, and she was yelling and cussing. SMART Recovery meetings in St. Augustine Fl.

The officer told the individuals to let her go, but she then approached the officer and raised her arms at him. He grabbed her, pushed her against a wall and put handcuffs on for her safety and his. Judge Will Drug Court and religious court mandated AA meetings.

She was reportedly still yelling and cussing when one of the individuals said they were having the meeting when she came in yelling and trying to start fights with everyone.

Yingling said he could smell the odor of an alcoholic beverage coming from Brian who told him her brother-in-law was supposed to pick her up for the meeting but he never showed. She began drinking whiskey and then drove to the meeting herself.

She was then taken into custody and transported. Orange Papers Anti- AA.

When Brian appears in court for an initial hearing, she will be charged with public intoxication that endangers a person’s life, a class B misdemeanor.

Dangerous and Religious AA Meetings Should Not Be The Only Option for Drug Addiction or Alcoholics

The news is finally getting out that this country needs better options than Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12 step programs for drug and alcohol addiction. AA is losing control over preventing anything negative being printed about them in the media. Thanks Chelsea Carmona for writing this excellent piece! AA has been an abysmal failure and the cause of many rapes, deaths and suicides.


Public Health

Alcoholics Need More Options than AA

It’s no surprise that faith-based programs are particularly ill-suited to atheists and agnostics

By  @CarmonaChelsea    Sept. 19, 2013

Should atheists be forced to participate in faith-based recovery programs such as Alcoholics Anonymous (AA)? The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals recently said no, unanimously siding with drug offender Barry A. Hazle Jr. after state officials mandated his participation in AA. Court documents state that Hazle’s requests for a secular alternative were repeatedly denied by both his parole officer and representatives from the state-contracted mental health service provider, West Care. For violating his parole, Hazle was arrested and incarcerated for over 100 additional days. NA Daytona Meetings in Daytona.

The appeals court ordered a Sacramento district judge to consider preventing state officials from requiring 12-step treatment as a part of the parole program. But it’s going to be difficult, because this one-size-fits-all prescription – 12-step meetings and 12-step-based group therapy for everyone – reigns supreme in treatment today. Nearly eight out of ten private programs use 12-step recovery, with two-thirds compelling patients to attend meetings, according to researchers working on the University of Georgia’s National Treatment Center Study and cited in Inside Rehab by Anne Fletcher. Public programs, frequently starved for funding, aren’t much better. In fact, West Care, California’s sole drug treatment provider, only contracts with religious-based treatment programs.

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But even if they’re rarely acknowledged in today’s treatment community, there are many alternatives to 12-step fellowships such as SMART Recovery, Secular Organizations for Sobriety, and Specifically For Women. This is important because a national survey published in 2007 concluded that an addicted person was just as likely to stay sober whether they were involved in AA or another support group. In fact, it would behoove treatment providers to match people with a support system that’s suitable to their preferences, because group participation is associated with increased abstinence. Continue reading

Atheist Parolee Forced to Attend 12 Step Drug Treatment Program Wins Federal Appeal for Monetary Damages

Barry A. Hazle Jr.

Now we are talking! Yes!

Atheist parolee wins federal appeal, is entitled to damages in rights case

By Denny Walsh

Published: Saturday, Aug. 24, 2013 – 12:00 am
Last Modified: Sunday, Aug. 25, 2013 – 9:20 am

An atheist parolee who was sent back to prison after he balked at participating in a religious-oriented drug treatment program must receive monetary compensation, a federal appellate court ruled Friday. Volusia County Drug Court and St. Johns County Drug Court.

The ruling overturned the verdict of a Sacramento jury, which decided that Barry A. Hazle Jr. was not entitled to monetary damages, even though his constitutional rights had been violated. The 13 Step The Film Monica Richardson.

Hazle did a year in state prison on a drug conviction. When he got out, his parole agent, over Hazle’s strong objections, forced him to enter a treatment program that required acknowledgment of a higher power.

Hazle continued to complain, so he was removed from the program and arrested. His parole was revoked and he was thrown back in prison for an additional three months and 10 days. NA Daytona Meetings at Hollyland Park run off park patrons by intimidation.

In September 2008, Hazle sued California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation officials. Six weeks later, the department issued a directive that parole agents may not compel a parolee to take part in religious-themed programs. A parolee who objects should be referred to nonreligious treatment, the directive said, citing federal case law.

U.S. District Judge Garland E. Burrell Jr. found that Hazle’s forced participation in the program ran “afoul of the prohibition against the state’s favoring religion in general over non-religion,” thus violating rights guaranteed him by the Constitution.

But, when the case went to trial on the issue of money, the jury refused to award damages for his loss of liberty and emotional distress. Holly Hill City Commissioners under scrutiny.

Burrell denied Hazle’s motion for a new trial, ruling he had forfeited a challenge to the verdict by not objecting before the jury was discharged, and that the jury did not find a specific defendant responsible for damages.

A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Burrell is wrong on multiple issues. Continue reading

Narcotics Anonymous Member Threatens to Kill Everybody at NA Meeting Inside Delray Beach Church

Man already wanted for threatening to kill at a church now accused of impersonating Boynton cop photo

Narcotics Anonymous member Tair Karimov threatend to shoot up people attending an NA meeting and killing everybody in January. This man was Baker Acted on December 25th 2012. Later he pretended to be an undercover cop and robbed someone.

The pastor of the church was not very happy of not being told of the incident at his church as stated here.The pastor of the church, Dr. Charles Mory, told WPBF 25 News he was never made aware of the threats.

“I have people arriving here all the time and I’m sure when they get out of their car they think this is a safe place,” Mory said. “So, yes, I think we should have been notified.”

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The Rev. Peter Petroske (left) listens as his attorney, Edward Zelenak, addresses 19th District Judge Richard Wygonik during Petroske’s sentencing Thursday afternoon. The Priest who was arrested for driving drunk and naked was sentenced to attend AA meetings. He was also asked to move out of the  Sacred Heart Rectory. An archdiocese spokesman said after the sentencing that Petroske remains on administrative leave.

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Catholic Priest Mandated To Alcoholics Anonymous For DWI

Australia’s Catholic Priest was busted for a DWI with a blood alcohol level 7 times the legal limit of 0.341!

How could he drive at all! This priest received no jail time as long as he goes to Australia Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

Priest avoids jail time
15th February 2012

Catholic Priest DWI

Father Peter Jones.

SOUTH Grafton Catholic priest Peter Jones has avoided jail time despite driving with seven times the legal limit of alcohol in his blood stream on one of Australia’s biggest highways on October 19 last year.

The St Patrick’s Parish priest pleaded guilty to having 0.341 blood alcohol content at an earlier court appearance and has since undergone extensive rehabilitation including attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

Magistrate David Heilpern gave Jones, 58, a 12-month suspended jail sentence upon condition of a section 12 good behavior bond and suspended his licence for two years and eight months.

Fr Jones was convicted of high range PCA in May, 2001 at Macksville.

At his previous court appearance on December 12, Fr Jones was warned he could face a jail term by presiding Magistrate Shane McAnulty.

“This is a serious matter because the reading is so high,” Mr McAnulty said.

“Ordinarily, people with a reading that high should expect to go to jail.”

“It was such a high reading that it is inconceivable that a person could drive (in that state).”
Mr McAnulty said the fact that it was Fr Jones’ second high-range PCA offence was causing him “some concern” and suggested the holy man may need to do some “soul searching” on his behaviour.

Police facts tendered to the court said Fr Jones was driving north on the Pacific Hwy at Cowper about 1.15pm on Wednesday, October 19 when a driver rang police concerned that the white Toyota Camry Fr Jones was driving was being driven unsafely.

A police patrol car waited for Fr Jones at Ferry Park, Maclean and followed him for a short time. After some road works, police activated lights and sirens.

“While following the driver police also observed the driver’s actions to be swerving left to right all over the road,” said Senior Constable Stephen Bennett in his report.”The driver appeared to not see police and continued along the highway.” Fr Jones eventually pulled over on Yamba Rd under the Harwood Bridge and stumbled next to his car, the evidence said.

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Catholic Church Sent Pedophile Father Ivan Ferguson To Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

A lawsuit by a former alter boy about sex abuse at the hands of Father Ivan Ferguson that took place in the 1980’s, exposes the cover up of the Catholic Church. They think curing alcoholism in Father Ivan Ferguson by sending him to Alcoholics Anonymous will do the trick.

So we don’t just have the problem of the court system sending sexual predators to Alcoholics Anonymous, but the Catholic Church started thinking years ago that sending their pedophile priests to AA was the way to go. This just makes me sick. These poor children. Let’s start protecting the children and stop protecting the pedophiles by covering up their crimes, and hiding in AA granting anonymity.

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The suit claims that senior church officers, including former Archbishop John F. Whealon, knew that Ferguson had abused two brothers in the Tarriffville section of Simsbury two years earlier, in 1979, but failed to prevent the priest from having further contact with children.

Church records entered as evidence in the case show that Ferguson was a teacher at Northwest Catholic High School in West Hartford when he confessed to abusing the Tarriffville brothers. Whealon removed Ferguson from the high school and sent him, for three months, to a church clinic that noted Ferguson’s pedophilia but existed principally to treat alcoholic nuns and priests.

The records show that Whealon and the clinicians who treated Ferguson at the St. Luke Institute in Holliston, Mass., in 1979 believed his pedophilia could be controlled if he attended Alcoholics Anonymous and controlled his drinking.

Upon Ferguson’s release from St. Luke, Whealon assigned the priest to a Catholic high school for girls in Milford. Not long after his assignment in Milford, the records show that Ferguson was pressing to be assigned to a school for boys.

The assignment to a boy’s school “did not materialize,” according to the records. But by 1981, he had been assigned as the principal of a Catholic grammar school in Derby for boys and girls. It was while Ferguson was at St. Mary’s School in Derby that he is accused of molesting the altar boy, known in his suit as Jacob Doe, and the altar boy’s best friend. The boys were age 13 to 15 when the abuse took place.

The records show that by 1982, Ferguson and the people who treated him at St. Luke were proposing that Whealon assign him to a “teen ministry.” The records do not reflect how Whealon received the proposal.

Ferguson died in 2002.

Dubay’s ruling prevented the archdiocese from calling former Penn State University history professor John P. Jenkins as a witness.

Jenkins is a widely published historian with specialities in the Catholic church and aberrant behavior. In the 1990s, Jenkins wrote, among other things, “Moral Panic: Changing Concepts of the Child Molester in Modern America” and “Pedophiles and Priests: Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis.”,0,91891.story


Woman Shot At Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting On Church Property

When are the churches going to wise up to the dangers they are bringing into their churches by renting to AA and NA groups ? Many groups do not carry insurance,and the insurance carriers are typically unaware of these agreements the churches have with court mandated felons(including sexual predators) receiving the required meetings in their meeting halls.Many meetings take place while activities involving children are on church property. Some pastors have been made aware of sexual offenders at the AA/NA meetings when children are on church property, and they have refused to do anything.When are these people going to put the children first?

Woman Shot in the Head After Fight Spills Out of AA Meeting

A fight broke out between two AA members—and the wife of one of them took a bullet in the head.

By Will Godfrey

11/11/11 A woman was shot in the head as she sat in a car outside an AA meeting in Baldwin Park, LA County, Thursday night. A fistfight broke out between two men during the meeting at First Presbyterian Church of Baldwin Park at around 7:30pm. Cops said one of the combatants was the woman’s husband. The struggle spilled out into the parking lot, where one of the men pulled a handgun. His shot was aimed at the husband, but hit the woman in the car instead, as the vehicle veered across the street and into a fence on the other side. The suspect,described as a Latino male around 20 years old, fled the scene. The victim was taken to LA County USC Medical Center, where her condition was described as stable. Shocking as the incident may seem, it’s far from the firstoutbreak of AA-related violence.



Here is a day in the life of judges in Pittsburg PA ordering criminals to AA/NA left and right throughout the day.Where would AA/NA be without the free flowing unlimited amount of convicted criminals coming into their rooms? They would not have the financial support of our government by them mandating religious AA/NA meetings,and even going so far as to mandate that attendees get a sponsor!

Some Points From an NA Member

I have been told about your site for a while now and just got around to checking it out today… of course, this topic has been floating around in recovery circles for months and considering I don’t live in Volusia County, I haven’t worried about it too much. Upon reading over your site, I have to say I agree with a few of your points and I have a couple of objections. I’m an open minded person, I’m not one to think that as soon as someone opposes twelve step recovery they are immediately wrong. I question the program a lot myself. I’ve been a devoted member of NA for over X years and I think I’m qualified to present my opinion. First, in many larger cities NA doesn’t meet in parks…its something they tend to do around here. If you care to have a party or use a park for the day, parks and recreation generally wants you to rent a pavilion or something of the sort, so I agree that using a pavilion 5 days a week for free is indeed accepting an outside contribution. Often times, there is a lot of conflict within the program about the traditions and how people interpret them. Just like laws, different people take them different ways. Also, I personally have always had an issue with the park meetings because I am not a big fan of all of the smoking and I also figure that an anonymous fellowship meeting in such close proximity to a playground or a shuffleboard court, etc… poses somewhat of a conflict of interest. I will attend these meetings, however, when I need to make a meeting and there is nothing else available. I am not able to make group decisions about meeting locations or tradition interpretation, I can only offer my opinion and my single vote. I think we are clearly guilty of taking the easiest route…as finding other meeting locations can be difficult and meeting in a park is cheap (free) and easy. I am not advocating this. I also think you raise an excellent point about drug court. In three years, I have seen very few, very very few, drug court members stay in recovery after getting off of drug court. It does not appear to be a program that works and it brings a lot of people into our fellowship that do not want to be there. To say these people represent NA isn’t fair, because our third tradition tells us that the only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using. Many of these people don’t have that, they have a desire to not go to jail. Therefore, they are not members, they are simply taking up space. I have empathy for them and hope they will hear something that will help them get clean, but a person sitting on a bench at a park who is not seeking recovery is not an NA member. Minors should not be mandated to go to NA meetings, and special consideration should indeed be taken for young women (by the courts, not by NA). Our program was not designed for people who are forced into recovery. As far as the religious aspect goes… I am an agnostic. I have no religion. I may use the word god because people in meetings prefer it, but the word itself means nothing to me. NA is not a religious organization. It is not an organization at all. We are often refused meeting space at churches because of our lack of religious affiliation. NA World Service has officially mandated we not use the lord’s prayer in our meetings. We have plenty of literature stating that we should not use any language in our meetings that may confuse a new person and lead them to believe the program is religious. The word “god” is used often in our program…but without a need for recovery, the way it is used will not be understood. Our literature literally speaks against dogma. Very literally. “God” does not reflect religion, it reflects the spiritual aspect of the program. If NA was a religious program, I would have immediately headed for the door, as nothing makes me more ill. I know very few religious people in recovery and many spiritual beings. I hope you will understand that I have taken all of your points seriously, agreed with a lot you have to say, and consider my views. NA is powerless over what the courts are doing, we cannot kick the drug court people out of meetings. Our traditions tell us we are to accept and love everyone, regardless of their past. NA has helped me find a new way to live, as it has done for countless others…but I think your heart is in the right place if you are looking out for your community. NA members should not be taking over local parks, littering, having meetings next to playgrounds, etc…but not everything you are saying is accurate. Feel free to use my letter in any capacity you wish.Thanks for reading.

Religious Rehab in Florida Sparks Protest About Mandated Florida AA/NA Attendance

The Americans United Sarasota-Manatee Chapter has spoken out against the lack of secular (non-religious) treatment options for inmates at the Sarasota County jail.

We need more people and organizations to stand up and demand separation of church and state. To give inmates and citizens options in the Drug Courts and have probation officers step up to the plate and stop mandating Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous. This practice continues in Daytona Beach,Palm Coast the state of Florida not to mention the entire nation.Let’s put in end to this unconstitutional practive now!

Why AA/NA Is Not Working and NA/AA Members are Dying

In NA/AA Daytona,AA/NA Ormond Beach Fl,AA/NA Holly Hill Fl,NA/AA Palm Coast Fl, NA/AA Deland,NA/AA Deltona have thousands of people who fail the mandated AA/NA sentencing. They fail mandated AA/NA that Drug Court dictates and are thrown back in jail.

They fail the terms of mandated AA/NA of probation and get fined and thrown back in jail. Because of the high failure rate of AA/NA in Volusia County,citizens are at risk because dangerous felons and sexual predators are not getting the professional help that they need.

People who are suicidal are not receiving the professional help they need. 12 step members are not trained in mental health problems or members who are suicidal.

Struggles Within Alcoholics Anonymous

Sex abuse, financial abuse, and manipulation.It is all here where it is confirmed once again that AA headquarters exerts zero control over the criminal activity of its members.

Hazelden Article About The ‘Stereotypes Linger For NA’

The brainwashing continues.Even though the article admits about NA’s generous open door policy where anyone can come to a meeting-they dont like what they call the stereotype of the “dope shooting criminals and burly tattooed bikers”attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings. Last I saw in the park meetings, their is still plenty of those that attend as well. NA wants it both ways dont they? Who do they think comprises of  NA ? At least over 40-50% of people in attendance are mandated from Drug Courts and Department of Corrections with felony crimes apart from the drug use like armed robbery, sex crimes,domestic violence and prostitution etc

Alcoholics Anonymous Could Bring Sexual Predators to Your Church

Is your church bringing sexual predators to your church?

Alcoholics Anonymous members would have you believe that these incidents are few and far between but this is not the case. Sexual abuse, rape, child molestations, physical, and mental abuse take place constantly within and around AA groups. I am astonished by the fact that Churches will allow AA to hold their meetings on their property. In fact the majority of AA meetings are held in churches all over the country.

This should show any reasonable person how little his or her church cares about the welfare of its members. Because AA is an anonymous organization there is no way to know whether the attendees are rapists, murderers, or child molesters. Twelve Steppers swear that meetings are safe places but the truth is that these bad things are happening in conjunction with AA and churches every day.

AA New York Member Poster Child Loots Homes!

AA poster child member respected by many other New York AA members charged with looting homes The. ‘Thelma and Loiuse’ team stunned their group That they not only robbed but they were supporting a drug habit,but telling members she had 12 years sobriety. Jennifer Jones even ran many meetings.

AA/NA Florida-ACLU Sues Over Faith-based Rehab.Catholic Man Forced into Pentecostal Faith

Joseph Hanas,19 when placed in a diversion program for young non-violent offenders-had to fight Pentecoastals to practice his own religion! This stuff never ceases to amaze me.

Religious Rehab in Florida Sparks Protest About Mandated Florida AA Attendance

The Americans United Sarasota-Manatee Chapter has spoken out against the lack of secular (non-religious) treatment options for inmates at the Sarasota County jail.

We need more people and organizations to stand up and demand separation of church and state. To give inmates and citizens options in the Drug Courts and have probation officers step up to the plate and stop mandating Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous. This practice continues in Daytona Beach,Palm Coast the state of Florida not to mention the entire nation.Let’s put in end to this unconstitutional practive now!

AA Is a Public Nuisance Declares Attorney That Files Lawsuit In Washington State Against AA and Church

Here is yet another example of AA/NA groups being a public nuisance! This is a growing nationwide problem. The churches need to be held accountable as well as they are renting to groups without the proper zoning permits and are puttting their congregation in danger.

This is the Fort Sherman Chapel Group,District Area 92AA located in Washington State causing numerous problems for the neighborhood.

Attorney goes after AA group

A Fortgrounds attorney wants Alcoholics Anonymous to keep it down.

Out of frustration with a local AA group’s raucous gatherings, Edward W. Kok has filed legal action against the Washington State District Area 92 AA, Fort Sherman Chapel Group and unnamed AA members.

Kok (pronounced like Coke), who lives on Forest Drive, says his quality of life has been thwarted by the hubbub of AA meetings across the street at Fort Sherman Chapel.

“The actions of the defendants are offensive to the senses, are an obstruction to the free use of plaintiff’s property, so as to interfere with the comfortable enjoyment of life and property,” Kok wrote in a legal complaint filed in district court on Sept. 8.

Kok is representing himself.

The 53-year-old alleges that members of the group – who meet at the chapel every day at 8 a.m. and also Mondays at 5 p.m. – converse loudly before and after meetings.

“…The sound is as though the AA members are meeting in the plaintiff’s front yard,” the legal complaint reads.

Sometimes loud motors and conversation starts long before 7 a.m. and goes as late as 9 p.m., the document reads. Individuals’ cars have also blocked spaces for residents in the area.

It’s a public nuisance, according to Kok.

He also alleges that the group’s meetings are unlawful, as the gatherings take place without a special use permit required for religious organization or community meetings.

That means the Museum of North Idaho is at fault, as well, Kok reports, as the nonprofit corporation owns and operates the Fort Sherman Chapel.

“The defendant museum and perhaps AA as well knew or should have known” about the group’s use of the structure for years, the legal complaint states.

Efforts to find an individual claiming authority for the AA group have been futile, Kok wrote in his complaint.

As he hasn’t been able to track down members, his legal action labels those defendants as John and Jane Does 1-100.

Kok is requesting a judge to enjoin the museum from allowing AA further use of the chapel.

He is also asking for $7,500 in attorney’s fees, though he wouldn’t say if he plans to bring another attorney on board.

“I’m committed to seeing this through to some satisfactory solution,” Kok said on Wednesday.

Individual members of the chapel AA group either couldn’t be reached, or preferred to retain anonymity and not be quoted.

Priest Guilty Sexual Abusing Minors Attended Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings!

You just cant make this crap up! Cover up of Sexual Abuse by the Church of Priest who attended AA.Alter Boy sues Charlotte Diocese for sexual abuse.

AA/NA Florida-ACLU Sues Over Faith-based Rehab.Catholic Man forced into Pentecostal Faith

Joseph Hanas,19 when placed in a diversion program for young non-violent offenders-had to fight Pentecostals to practice his own religion! This stuff never ceases to amaze me.

Posted by CN Staff on December 06, 2005 at 13:29:29 PT
By Norman Sinclair, The Detroit News 
Source: Detroit News 

justiceDetroit — In a lawsuit filed on his behalf by the civil rights group, a 23-year-old Catholic man from Genesee County is asking a federal judge to set aside a drug conviction, saying he was punished for not completing a Pentecostal rehabilitation program.

Joseph Hanas was 19 when he pleaded guilty to a marijuana possession charge in February 2001 in Genesee Circuit Court and was placed in a diversion program for young, non-violent offenders.

Upon the recommendation of a probation officer, Judge Robert Ransom sentenced Hanas to the state-sponsored rehabilitation program – the Inner City Christian Outreach Residential Program, run by a Pentecostal church.

Hanas said the program did not offer drug treatment or counseling, nor did it have any organized program other than reading the Bible and attending Pentecostal services.

He said his rosary and prayer book was taken from him and his religion was denounced as witchcraft. Hanas said he was told his only chance of avoiding prison and a felony record was to convert to the Pentecostal faith.

After seven weeks, his mother and lawyers for the American Civil Liberties Union in Flint succeeded in getting Hanas back to court.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Detroit, claims Ransom acknowledged the failings of the center but ruled that Hanas did not satisfactorily complete the program and sentenced him to three months in jail, three months in a boot camp, and placed him on a tether for three months. Ransom also placed Hanas on four years probation, which he continues to serve.

This man was punished for insisting on the right to practice Catholicism and refusing conversion to the Pentecostal faith, said Kary Moss, director of the Michigan ACLU.

The pastor who operates the center, Rev. Richard Rottiers could not be reached for comment.

Ransom has retired. Before leaving the bench he said he would not send any more prisoners to the Inner City center, citing a lack of accountability.

Complete Title: ACLU Sues Over Faith-Based Rehab: Catholic Man Forced into Pentecostal Program

Source: Detroit News (MI)
Author: Norman Sinclair, The Detroit News

Protestant Church Insurance Companies Handles 260 Sexual Abuse Cases a Year !

Well the Catholic Church is not the only church with child sex abuse problems. Here is an article from the Insurance Journal about sex abuse allegation in the Protestant church that the Insurance Industry handles. I wonder what stats they have insuring Alcoholics Anonymous groups? These religious groups and AA/NA need to be more proactive in protecting children from sexual assault from members !
The three companies that insure the majority of Protestant churches in America say they typically receive upward of 260 reports each year of young people under 18 being sexually abused by clergy, church staff, volunteers or congregation members.

The figures released to The Associated Press offer a glimpse into what has long been an extremely difficult phenomenon to pin down — the frequency of sex abuse in Protestant congregations.

Religious groups and victims’ supporters have been keenly interested in the figure ever since the Roman Catholic sex abuse crisis hit five years ago. The church has revealed that there have been 13,000 credible accusations against Catholic clerics since 1950.

Protestant numbers have been harder to come by and are sketchier because the denominations are less centralized than the Catholic church; indeed, many congregations are independent, which makes reporting even more difficult.

Some of the only numbers come from three insurance companies — Church Mutual Insurance Co., GuideOne Insurance Co. and Brotherhood Mutual Insurance Co.

Together, they insure 165,495 churches and worship centers for liability against child sex abuse and other sexual misconduct, mostly Protestant congregations but a few other faiths as well. They also insure more than 5,500 religious schools, camps and other organizations.

The companies represent a large chunk of all U.S. Protestant churches. There are about 224,000 in the U.S., according to the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies, although that number excludes most historically black denominations and some other groups, which account for several thousand congregations.

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