Floyd Nadeau AA sponsor, finally reported Bob Ryder 20, sponsee in the murder of Danita Brown 38. Police had asked at a meeting before about the wherabouts of the murderer,but they lied to police.
LEWISTON — An Alcoholics Anonymous member’s story began with the arrival of a Lewiston police officer.
A uniformed cop trying to find somebody — apparently a suspect in a crime — marched into the middle of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. He told the group who he was looking for and asked if they’d seen him.
“This is an anonymous program,” the member told him. “No one’s going to tell you if he’s here or not.” A moment later, the frustrated officer walked out, and the meeting resumed.
The suspect had been there the whole time, seated in the front row.
“It was his choice to identify himself or not,” the member said. And each person attending the meeting chose silence rather than break with AA’s 76-year history.
People who attend are anonymous. And what’s said among its members is secret.
“It’s commonly accepted that you don’t go blabbing around what you’ve heard,” said another longtime member.
Yet, some secrets are bigger than others.
Narcotics Anonymous Daytona Beach Fl has the same practice of keeping crimes to themselves.Check out the article ‘The Rude Awakening’ in the stories section written by a local citizen who was the victim of this dangerous practice.
Look up the criminal history of some of these violent, mentally ill, repeat offenders that keep avoiding jail over and over again by being sent to non-accountable, unsupervised AA/NA meetings .It’s really no surprise that things like this happen!
Why does it have to take something like this before they get any real jail time? Look up the history of some of our local Daytona Beach AA/NA mandates like RICHARD NEWKIRK and JAMES MAXWELL as well as others to see for yourself!
ANONYMOUS = EXEMPTION FROM ACCOUNTABILITY?
When you read this and the related articles you can understand why it makes no sense for courts to release multitudes of repeat offenders to Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous for mass compliance sessions!
These non-accountable, totally unsupervised groups are run by anonymous, unqualified nonprofessionals who have the enabled, emboldened sense that “ANONYMOUS” somehow means that they are above the law when it comes to police investigations!
CHECK OUT ” RUDE AWAKENING AA/NA STORIES” TO READ PERSONAL ACCOUNTS OF CITIZENS WHO WERE THREATENED BY AA/NA MEMBERS ONLY TO HAVE IT ALL COVERED UP BY THE ORGANIZATION’S CHAIRPERSONS, SPONSORS AND EVEN POLICE!
WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING IN OUR CASE IS THAT THIS IS ALL TAKING PLACE IN OUR PUBLIC PARK/PLAYGROUND WHERE CHILDREN PLAY!
In response to, ” localmom’s” recent comment,
I agree it would be nice if the Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous groups in our area believed in cooperating with the police when someone’s life is threatened. PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING.
The attitude reflected in this particular article regarding the delusional, emboldened, “ABOVE THE LAW,” feeling of entitlement to obstruct justice and cover up anything to protect the image of ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS and NARCOTICS ANONYMOUS is what we have experienced when it comes to threats of violence from their, “so-called anonymous members.” AND THIS IS WHERE THE COURTS SEND FELONS BY THE SCORE FOR PAROLE AND PROBATION COMPLIANCE? HELLO ! ! ? ? It’s more like a gang with the blessings of the legal system to cover up crimes! HOW DOES THIS PROMOTE RESPONSIBLE RECOVERY?
PHIL refused to cooperate with the police in the story “RUDE AWAKENING,” pleading anonymity when one of their members threatened to shoot up the store across the street! When you read this story you can understand that it is normal for these people to obstruct justice and cover for one another. Why would DON AND PHIL, after almost 2 years of problems continue to insist on having meetings in the Park/ Playground instead of giving this park and community a break by finding a more suitable place for their meetings? This is an unnecessary recipe for disaster which has already happened many times to citizens in our Park!
You can read about Phil and how he just smiles as he refuses to help the police in their investigation concerning a violent threat made towards a citizen by their members. By reading comments made by local citizens and the, “RUDE AWAKENING,” along with AA/NA PHOTOS IN PUBLIC PARKS AND CHILDREN’S PLAYGROUNDS you will begin to understand the emboldened, enabled,” above the law” and “beyond reproach” attitude that has become pervasive within these groups! This has become extremely dangerous and is NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR THOSE IN RECOVERY!!!
Here is some eye opening additional information in regard to this story about AA/NA covering up crimes. This comment was recently posted in response to the recent lawsuit against AA.
AA/NA knowingly expose their members to extreme danger, yet they refuse to implement any safety procedures!
Safetyfirst on September 30, 2012 at 6:19 PM said:
MURDER IN THE ROOMS
By The Fix.
“What if they confessed to cold-blooded murder? When 20-year-old Bob Ryder came to his sponsor, Floyd Nadeau, with something on his conscience, Nadeau surely had no idea that what he was about to hear would have a lasting impact on both men’s lives.
There have been many high profile cases of murder prosecutions hinging on admissions of guilt coming to light during AA meetings. This one was among the most biizarre.
According to Nadeu, Ryder confessed that he had been getting high with a prostitute at his home in Lewiston, Maine when the prostitute started to “irritate him” by constantly complaining about her tough life. The final straw came when Ryder allegedly caught the woman rifling through his wallet. According to Nadeu, Ryder said that he grabbed the nearest thing to hand—a wooden clock—and viciously beat his victim to death with it before concealing the body in the basement of his home.
Nadeu later told authorities that at first he was highly skeptical that Ryder had murdered anyone. His sponsee, after all, had a history of mental problems, which had led to his being discharged from the marines. But to prove he was telling the truth, Ryder supposedly took Nadeu down into the basement and showed him the decomposing corpse. Still, it would be over two weeks before Nadeu went to the police; when questioned on this seemingly inexplicable delay, Nadeu claimed that he was worried about violating AA’s teachings on confidentiality. ”
Full Story on Murder In The Rooms…..
http://www.thefix.com/content/sick-our-secrets4000
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Are there any AA/NA members who are willing to read this and then tell me what they think about it?
“This is an anonymous program,” the Alcoholics Anonymous member TOLD A POLICE OFFICER who was looking for a murder suspect.” No one’s going to tell you if he’s here or not.”
PLEASE READ THE ABOVE ARTICLE IN IT’S ENTIRETY BY CLICKING ON THE LINK IN GREEN UNDER THE STORY ABOVE.
This is how the AA/NA groups who meet at Holly Hill Florida parks have acted when police have tried to investigate threats made against citizens by AA/NA members!
I’m sure this qualified as a “RUDE AWAKENING” moment for the Lewiston P.D. and everyone else involved ! Be sure to click on the link in blue for the full article to get the real story. When we report harassment and threats from N/A/AA members, that conduct their business in our local park by the playground, the people running the meetings basically tell the police the same thing that this guy did.
Check out ” RUDE AWAKENING” story and feel free to tell your own !
I have been at many meetings where sponsors knew of crimes that had been
committed outside of AA.
But they also where aware of women being raped by AA members and they said it
was an outside issue!
In fact many oldtimers hit on the newcomers and sexually harrass them.
This is the kind of thing that makes me so thankful that our 7th circuit Drug Court Manager, Michael Jewell sees the value in allowing more options which will ultimately help more people succeed in recovery! The state of Florida has changed their wording from mandating attending AA or NA meetings to mandating attending a “support groups”. Volusia and Flagler counties are now accepting SMART RECOVERY as an alternative for those who feel they would like to try a professional recovery option which also offers in-home, online meetings which provide validation for drug court compliance. Other counties within the state will soon follow their lead. Please check out the SMART RECOVERY website link on the right-hand column of the home page, as well as the other options under the {12 step alternatives section.} I think you’ll find them to be refreshingly safe and accountable recovery options.
I find it horrifying that members of AA seem to think that they are above the
law. This is the murder of a mother of 9 that we are talking about. The
police have a duty to find the murderer. AA anonymity does not count for
anything in the event of murder/assault/other crime. I do not know why anyone
thinks that being a member of this ‘fellowship’ leads them to think so, I
really don’t.
This story is a great example on how secretive the
these 12 step programs are.I also read that the guy who finally turned him
in,had seen the body and told the AA murderer to use baking soda to get of the
smell! Also both of them had been cruising for hookers leading up to the
murder.other AA members knew and also kept quiet.