State Farm No Longer Insuring Churches In Florida

Posted on December 30, 2011 by Safetyfirst

Insurance provider State Farm shows concerns over churches in the state of Florida and dropped them. To insure churches they want to see safety guidelines in place in regard to children, if they want to obtain ” abuse and molestation” coverage. I wonder if the insurance companies that insure Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous realize that courts are mandating level 3 sex offenders, and violent felons to 12 step programs? Many of them located in the very basements of the churches they insure. I also wonder if the insurance companies have any idea that felons are sponsoring minors in AA/NA ? AA/NA provide no background checks unless they are going into a prison. So lets see, in prison there is very high security to protect inmates and juveniles. To sponsor a minor on the outside of detention centers AA has no such requirements. Are the insurance companies taking this into account when they are insuring these high risk 12 step groups? It would be nice if they put requirements on AA like they are doing with the churches. This is what changed the churches policies on dealing with sexual predator behavior in their congregations. To get insurance they HAD to start dealing with it to some extent. Of course they are dealing with hundreds of claims annually through protestant churches alone. They would probably would have thousands more without the changes. As we know in AA, many sexual assaults go unreported because of the principles of maintaining anonymity. Of course their lawsuits dealing with AA are swept under the rug.

Matt Carlucci, with the Jacksonville, Florida-based Brightway Insurance Agency, said churches pose a number of special risks, especially those that operate day care centers and schools.

To obtain so-called “abuse and molestation” coverage, churches must show they perform background checks on employees and volunteers. Additionally, insurers may require that the schools and day care centers have in place rules such as not allowing males employees to be alone with a child and maintaining a certain ratio of teachers to students.

“To get coverage, the churches are going to have to prove they have those procedures in place,” said Carlucci.

http://www.mynewmarkets.com/articles/180969/state-farm-to-stop-insuring-churches-in-florida

YOUTUBE VIDEO OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS MEETING SHOOTING IN BALDWIN PARK

Posted on November 24, 2011 by Safetyfirst

AA Members harass and charge photographer taking footage after woman was shot by court mandated AA member. Photography is not a crime.

Mandating Criminals to AA IS !!!!!!!!!

Here is the YOUTUBE VIDEO taken at scene of the crime where AA Shooting took Place in Baldwin Park.This woman is lucky to be alive.Her unborn child was not so lucky-thanks to Department of Corrections of California.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoQdP0QfH3c&w=420&h=315

Woman Shot At Alcoholics Anonymous Meeting On Church Property

Posted on November 12, 2011 by Safetyfirst

When are the churches going to wise up to the dangers they are bringing into their churches by renting to AA and NA groups ? Many groups do not carry insurance,and the insurance carriers are typically unaware of these agreements the churches have with court mandated felons(including sexual predators) receiving the required meetings in their meeting halls.Many meetings take place while activities involving children are on church property. Some pastors have been made aware of sexual offenders at the AA/NA meetings when children are on church property, and they have refused to do anything.When are these people going to put the children first?

Woman Shot in the Head After Fight Spills Out of AA Meeting

A fight broke out between two AA members—and the wife of one of them took a bullet in the head.

By Will Godfrey

11/11/11 A woman was shot in the head as she sat in a car outside an AA meeting in Baldwin Park, LA County, Thursday night. A fistfight broke out between two men during the meeting at First Presbyterian Church of Baldwin Park at around 7:30pm. Cops said one of the combatants was the woman’s husband. The struggle spilled out into the parking lot, where one of the men pulled a handgun. His shot was aimed at the husband, but hit the woman in the car instead, as the vehicle veered across the street and into a fence on the other side. The suspect,described as a Latino male around 20 years old, fled the scene. The victim was taken to LA County USC Medical Center, where her condition was described as stable. Shocking as the incident may seem, it’s far from the firstoutbreak of AA-related violence.

http://www.thefix.com/content/woman-shot-head-after-fight-breaks-out-aa-9235

SICK OF OUR SECRETS….

http://www.thefix.com/content/sick-our-secrets4000

AA Member Threatens to Shoot Fellow AA Member At Cass City Church

Posted on October 27, 2011 by Safetyfirst

Churches need to ask AA Groups to obtain liability and sexual molestation insurance. Churches are taking on a lot of risk renting to violent felons and sexual predators.

Did AA members tell this man to go off his meds????????????

Be careful what you ask for!

Man sent for psychiatric exam after allegedly pointing gun at A.A. member in Cass City church

By Thomas Gilchrist

Published: Friday, October 07, 2011, 12:12 PM

CARO — A man accused of pointing a loaded revolver at another man at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting inside a Cass City Church will be examined to determine if he is mentally competent to stand trial.

John R. Dillon, 74, of Tuscola County’s Almer Township faces 10 criminal charges in connection with the Sept. 5 incident at Good Shepherd Lutheran Church, 6820 Main, in Cass City.

Dillon “put a gun in someone’s face and threatened to shoot him,” said Trooper Ruth Osborne of the Michigan State Police post at Caro.

Osborne alleges Dillon also pointed the gun at a man’s back before handing over the weapon to one of the A.A. group members.

It wasn’t immediately clear if the alleged victim was the same person in both incidents. Osborne said she didn’t know the motive for the alleged crimes. She said Cass City Police Department Officer Bill Hartzell had taken Dillon into custody when she arrived to assist at the scene.

Tuscola County District Judge Kim David Glaspie, on Sept. 19, ordered Dillon to undergo psychiatric examination to determine if he is mentally competent and criminally responsible.

No date has been set for a hearing on the evidence against Dillon, who is charged with two counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, and if convicted of either charge, would face a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

He also is charged with four counts of possessing a firearm while committing a felony, a charge that carries a mandatory sentence of two years in prison that must be served prior to any other prison time ordered for other convictions.

Dillon also is charged with assault with a dangerous weapon, carrying a weapon with unlawful intent, carrying a concealed weapon and possession of a controlled substance.

The Saginaw News could not reach Dillon’s lawyer, Caro attorney Timothy M. Turkelson, for comment.

Tuscola County Magistrate Joseph Van Auken set a $100,000 cash bond for Dillon, who hasn’t posted bond and remains in custody.

AA Midtown Groups Sexual and Financial Abuses Against Teens

Posted on October 22, 2011 by Safetyfirst

Washington Post-When Kristen was 17 and drinking out of control, her psychologist referred her to an Alcoholics Anonymous group that specialized in helping the youngest drinkers. In the Midtown Group, members and outsiders agree, young people could find new friends, constant fellowship, daily meetings, summer-long beach parties, and a charismatic leader who would steer them through sobriety.

But according to more than a dozen young people who structured their lives around the group, the unusual adaptation of AA that Michael Quinones created from his home in Bethesda became a confusing blend of comfort and crisis. They described a rigidly insular world of group homes and socializing, in which older men had sex with teenage girls, ties to family and friends were severed or strained, and the most vulnerable of alcoholics, some suffering from emotional problems, were encouraged to stop taking prescribed medications.

Kristen, now 26, said that for eight years, she was “passed along” from one middle-aged male leader of Midtown to another. She said her sponsor urged her to have sex with Quinones — widely known as Mike Q. — as a way to solidify her sobriety and spiritual revival. Kristen, who spoke on the condition that her last name not be used in keeping with AA traditions, also recalled helping to persuade other teenage girls to sleep with older men in the group.

“I pimped my sponsees out to sponsors,” she said, referring to the AA members who agree to watch over a fellow member’s sobriety. “I encouraged them to sleep with their sponsors because I really believed that this would help with their sobriety.”

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Rest of article-

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/07/midtown_group_aa_group_leads_m.html

Former Members of Midtown Call it a Coercive, Cultlike Group; Were Cut Off

From Friends, Asked To Do Menial Chores, Date Only Group Members

Current Members Say ‘Midtown’ Saved Their Lives; Say Critics Resent Their

Success, Settling Scores

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/newsweek-recovering-alcoholics-taking-sides-in-dispute-against-a-washington-dc-area-aa-group-58847522.html

Newsweek-

Recovering alcoholics say a Washington, D.C., group has hijacked the 12-step program’s name.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2007/05/06/a-struggle-inside-aa.html

AA Is a Public Nuisance Declares Attorney That Files Lawsuit In Washington State Against AA and Church

Posted on September 21, 2011 by Safetyfirst

Here is yet another example of AA/NA groups being a public nuisance! This is a growing nationwide problem. The churches need to be held accountable as well as they are renting to groups without the proper zoning permits and are puttting their congregation in danger.

This is the Fort Sherman Chapel Group,District Area 92AA located in Washington State causing numerous problems for the neighborhood.

Attorney goes after AA group

A Fortgrounds attorney wants Alcoholics Anonymous to keep it down.

Out of frustration with a local AA group’s raucous gatherings, Edward W. Kok has filed legal action against the Washington State District Area 92 AA, Fort Sherman Chapel Group and unnamed AA members.

Kok (pronounced like Coke), who lives on Forest Drive, says his quality of life has been thwarted by the hubbub of AA meetings across the street at Fort Sherman Chapel.

“The actions of the defendants are offensive to the senses, are an obstruction to the free use of plaintiff’s property, so as to interfere with the comfortable enjoyment of life and property,” Kok wrote in a legal complaint filed in district court on Sept. 8.

Kok is representing himself.

The 53-year-old alleges that members of the group – who meet at the chapel every day at 8 a.m. and also Mondays at 5 p.m. – converse loudly before and after meetings.

“…The sound is as though the AA members are meeting in the plaintiff’s front yard,” the legal complaint reads.

Sometimes loud motors and conversation starts long before 7 a.m. and goes as late as 9 p.m., the document reads. Individuals’ cars have also blocked spaces for residents in the area.

It’s a public nuisance, according to Kok.

He also alleges that the group’s meetings are unlawful, as the gatherings take place without a special use permit required for religious organization or community meetings.

That means the Museum of North Idaho is at fault, as well, Kok reports, as the nonprofit corporation owns and operates the Fort Sherman Chapel.

“The defendant museum and perhaps AA as well knew or should have known” about the group’s use of the structure for years, the legal complaint states.

Efforts to find an individual claiming authority for the AA group have been futile, Kok wrote in his complaint.

As he hasn’t been able to track down members, his legal action labels those defendants as John and Jane Does 1-100.

Kok is requesting a judge to enjoin the museum from allowing AA further use of the chapel.

He is also asking for $7,500 in attorney’s fees, though he wouldn’t say if he plans to bring another attorney on board.

“I’m committed to seeing this through to some satisfactory solution,” Kok said on Wednesday.

Individual members of the chapel AA group either couldn’t be reached, or preferred to retain anonymity and not be quoted.

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_6b35040b-2186-5cc8-8cbe-9b6bbc3d83ad.html

AA AND NA MEETINGS ARE CAUSING A COMMOTION IN NEIGHBORHOOD