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AA Member Aaron Ybarra Murders Two Students at Seattle Pacific University

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First court appearance: Shooting suspect Aaron Ybarra, left, is led in chains to a court hearing at a King County Jail courtroom Friday, June 6, 2014, in Seattle

A Washington State AA Member goes on a shooting spree at the Seattle Pacific University killing 2 students. He had been attending 12 step meetings for sometime. They obviously did not address this man’s mental problems. Maybe doing his 4th step sent him over the edge.

Friend says Seattle Pacific University shooter is a ‘sweet kid’ haunted by his past

By Dailymail

  • Friend Nate Flesch had dinner with shooting suspect Aaron Ybarra the night before the rampage
  • The two attended Alcoholics Anonymous meetings together    NA Daytona
  • Ybarra wasn’t a student and had no connection to Seattle Pacific or his victims
  • A 19-year-old man was killed and a 20-year-old woman remains in critical condition
  • The other two students are in stable condition
  • Engineering student Jon Meis has been identified by classmates as the hero who stopped the gunman

By Ryan Gorman and Michael Zennie Published: 7 June 2014

A friend of the 26-year-old gunman who opened fire on a Seattle university says the shooter is a’ sweet kid’ but is haunted by his struggle with addiction.

One student died and three others were wounded after Aaron Ybarra stormed the campus of Seattle Pacific University Thursday night with a shotgun – and a friend who had dinner with the suspect the night before the rampage says he is ‘shocked’ the recovering alcoholic is involved. Daytona Beach AA and NA Meetings in Ormond Beach.

Nate Flesch told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that he and Ybarra attend the same Alcoholics Anonymous meetings, and that the troubled man has been sober for about one year. He spoke with the paper only hours before the suspected shooter was led into court in shackles. Holly Hill commissioners and the Mayor race 2014.

‘For the past year and a half or so he’s been trying to turn his life around,’ Flesch said. ‘He attends the same (Alcoholics Anonymous) classes as I do in the Lynnwood area. He’s a kid that I think has been sober now for a little bit over a year.’

Flesch called Ybarra ‘socially awkward,’ but ‘sweet.’

‘He’s a sweet kid, he’s a nice kid, very thankful, very appreciative, and I’m just kind of shocked to hear it was Aaron who was involved in this.’

Ybarra would often go to the bar where Flesch works as a bartender and order a soda or juice – never alcohol.

The suspected shooter also just started a new job, Flesch told the paper.

‘He was proud that they were starting to like him at his job. They were giving him more hours, and he was excited that he would have more money.

Flesch insists he has no idea ‘what set [Ybarra] off,’ and that he is ‘flabbergasted by the sequence of events.

‘He was trying to turn his life around, that he was trying to be a better person, and he was kind of working on his social skills, too,’ Flesch continued, adding he had lunch with Ybarra the night before the assault. Solemn: Students and other supporters form a prayer circle Friday on the campus of Seattle Pacific UniversitySolemn: Students and other supporters form a prayer circle Friday on the campus of Seattle Pacific University  ‘It’s a little eerie, a little scary,’ said Flesch. ‘To be honest with you, I’m a little heartbroken. It breaks my heart to see a kid like this, who was turning himself around, kind of just go off the deep end. I don’t know what triggered it. ‘For this to happen is mind-boggling, and I don’t know what else to say.’ The friend spoke not long after the identity of the hero who brought the onslaught to an end with a can of pepper spray was identified by police.

 

Students at Seattle Pacific University say Jon Meis saved countless lives when he sprang into action as the shooter stopped to reload his weapon Thursday afternoon.

The heroic engineering student reportedly hit Ybarra with the pepper spray as he ran at and tackled him, saving countless lives.

Meis, 26, is engaged to be married and has ‘everything to live for’ friends said. But he risked his life and ended the murderous rampage.

‘I’m proud of the selfless actions that my roommate, Jon Meis, showed today taking down the shooter. He is a hero,’ tweeted Matt Garcia.

A victim is loaded into an ambulance on the campus of Seattle Pacific University after a shooting Thursday afternoon Tragedy: A victim is loaded into an ambulance on the campus of Seattle Pacific University after a shooting Thursday afternoon

A victim is loaded into an ambulance on the campus of Seattle Pacific University after a shooting Thursday afternoon 

Classmate Briana Clarke told the Seattle Times that Meis, who was on duty as a hall monitor, sprayed the attacker in the face, grabbed him around the neck and then wrestled him to the ground.

‘There were a lot of shells on the ground..it looked like he was planning to go the distance and Jon stopped him,’ another student told KOMO-TV.

Several other students then piled on the attacker and held him until police arrived.

‘But for the great response for the people at Seattle Pacific this incident would have been much more tragic,’ assistant police chief Paul McDonagh said Thursday night.

A 19-year-old male student was shot in the head and died at a nearby hospital. A 20-year-old female student was shot in the neck and remains in critical condition. Two other students, both males in their 20s, were wounded but are in good condition after sustaining minor injuries. The gunman has been identified as Aaron Ybarra, 26, according to KIRO-TV. Authorities say he is not a student and has no connection to Seattle Pacific University or to any of his victims. Detectives are still trying to determine why he targeted the college.

Police say he is not a student, but reports indicate he had visited campus in recent weeks to scope it out. KING-TV reports that Ybarra lives with his parents in the Seattle area. He has reportedly confessed to the shootings and even bragged about the carnage he inflicted on the campus. Authorities say he did not expect to survive the rampage. His Facebook page says he is a former janitor at LA Fitness and attended Edmonds Community College. In the panic, police believed there was a second shooter and searched for up to an hour, possibly delaying medical attention for the wounded, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports.

Witnesses said the gunman barged into Otto Miller Hall – the science and engineering building for the university – about 3.30pm on Thursday. One witness told KIRO-TV that the gunman held his weapon on three students and told them not to move, when they did, he shot and wounded two and shot another student in the face. The victim who was shot in the face was rushed to the hospital, where he died. ‘The shooter began to reload his shotgun and a student that is the building monitor inside the hall confronted the shooter, was able to subdued the individual, and once on the ground, other students jumped on top of him and were able to pin the shooter to the ground until police arrived,’ Seattle Police Captain Chris Fowler said in a press conference. Seattle Pacific is a small Christian college associated with the Free Methodist Church with a student body just of about 4,370

The university was placed on lockdown and the administrators advised students to stay inside and lock their windows and doors and close their blinds. Students were sent an email blast that warned: ‘THIS IS NOT A DRILL.’

It’s unknown whether the gunman is a student at the university or whether the victims were random strangers or targeted.

Some students told KCPQ-TV that they recognized the shooter, indicating that they might have recognized the gunman.

Video from KIRO-TV showed a young man who appeared to be in his late teens or early 20s being led away in handcuffs.

– See more at: http://www.ablxboston.com/national/60674-friend-says-seattle-pacific-university-shooter-is-a-sweet-kid-haunted-by-his-past.html

Another Man Convicted of Child Pornography Possession and Dissemination Mandated to Narcotics Anonymous Meetings

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How many child porn sellers and sex predators have to be sent to AA and NA meetings before child advocates will care that AA and NA invite teens to these meetings with these people with no safety regulations and no leaders? Will the FBI ever care? Child protective services care? Somebody help us to stop this insanity.

Craig Cilley of Belchertown receives two-year jail sentence on child pornography charges, with six months to be served

By BOB DUNN@BDGazette

Thursday, December 5, 2013

NORTHAMPTON — A 30-year old Belchertown man, convicted of child pornography possession and dissemination, was sentenced Wednesday to a two-year jail term and probation on those charges.

Craig Cilley, of 418 Chauncey Walker Road will serve six months of that sentence in the Hampshire County House of Correction, with the remainder being suspended for three years while he is on probation.

During that time, Cilley must undergo sex offender treatment, have no unapproved contact with children under 18, not reside with any child under 18, have no employment or volunteer activity that would put him in contact with anyone under 18, remain drug free and submit to random testing, attend two Narcotics Anonymous or Alcoholics Anonymous meetings a month, undergo mental health treatment, grant the probation department access to any of his digital devices to examine their contents and Internet activity, avoid providing any child under 16 access to any electronic device that has online capability and forfeit any computers, digital storage devices, cellphones and accessories used in the commission of the crimes for which he was convicted. Continue reading →

Man Gets Probation and Sentenced to AA Meetings for Beating his Children

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Another violent man gets the get out jail AA card.

Bay County man gets probation for attack on children, attempting to fight police

By Cole Waterman | cwaterma@mlive.com 
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on October 04, 2013

BAY CITY, MI — A Hampton Township father who police say fought with them after attacking his two children has avoided jail, though contact with his children is still forbidden.

Bay County Chief District Judge Timothy J. Kelly on Tuesday, Oct. 1, sentenced Robert E. Kribs, 42, to one year of probation, with 90 days in jail deferred. While on probation, Kribs is to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings once a week, submit to alcohol and drug testing, continue receiving mental health counseling and not have any sort of contact with his children.

Kelly is to review the no-contact provision in December.

Kribs in August pleaded no contest to single counts of domestic violence, attempted resisting or obstructing police and attempted interference with an electronic communications device. In exchange for his pleas, the prosecution dismissed two counts of domestic violence, second offense, and single counts of exciting a disturbance, interfering with an electronic communications device and assault, resisting or obstructing police. Continue reading →

Woman Went to AA Meetings Before Being Sentenced to 30 Months for Stabbing Boyfriend

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Men look out for this woman in AA meetings!

Woman who stabbed boyfriend gets 30-month sentence

Andrew Robinson Published on October 3rd 2013

A woman who was found guilty of stabbing her boyfriend in the stomach with a bread knife and burning him with water used to boil vegetables has been sentenced to 30 months plus one day in jail.

 Kathryn Patricia Saunders, 47, appeared in St. John’s provincial court as Judge James Walsh announced his decision. She faced 16 charges in all and entered guilty pleas for some of them. On the charges of assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm, Saunders claimed during her trial in August those actions were in self-defense. Continue reading →

Man That Set Mother’s House on Fire and Assaulted Daughter is Mandated to AA Meetings

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Tory Bryant is considered mentally ill and plead guilty for assault and battery for hitting his daughter. In a plea deal they dropped 3 attempted murder charges when he set the house on fire with his mother, daughter and other child were inside. The judge mandated Tory Bryant to AA or NA meetings, anger management and a psychological evaluation!

Tory Bryant admits setting fire to his mother’s Springfield house

By Buffy Spencer, The Republican 
on September 24, 2013

Tory Bryant’s mother Rosalyn Bryant asked Judge Tina S. Page in Hampden Superior Court on Tuesday to find a way to get him help he needs.

Rosalyn Bryant said her son would never have set her house on fire – with her, his 5-year-old daughter, and another 7-year-old inside – if he hadn’t been drunk and high on drugs.

Page said since she was appointed to the bench 15 years ago, she has repeatedly talked about the need for a secure facility to which she could sentence people with mental-health issues such as the 24-year-old Bryant.

But since there is no such facility, Page imposed a 2 1/2- to four-year sentence to state prison. Tory Bryan pleaded guilty to charges, admitting he set the fire at the family home.

Assistant District Attorney Clarissa A. Wright showed Page photos of the Rosewell Street house, which had about $40,000 in damage as a result of the fire. Bryant’s mother, daughter and the other girl got out safely after the alarm sounded, and they saw smoke, according to the prosecutor. Continue reading →

Another AA Member Financially Scams an Elderly Man he Met at Alcoholics Anonymous

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AA is a hot spot for Crooks Scamming Senior Citizens. Yet AA has voted to do nothing to protect the Elderly in AA Meetings.

Man stole from elderly, avoids prison sentence but must repay money

SANDUSKY REGISTER STAFF PORT CLINTON SEPTEMBER 22nd, 2013

A Norwalk man who stole $11,000 from an 78-year-old man he met at Alcoholics Anonymous received a suspended prison sentence, but was ordered to repay the money, according to Ottawa County court records
Timothy Gilbert, 42, was charged after bank employees called police in December 2011 when they noticed the elderly man making unusual withdrawals from his bank account.

Gilbert had fed the man a story about needing $11,000 to get his father’s inheritance, and the victim agreed to lend him the money, according to police reports.

Gilbert was eventually charged with theft from the elderly. He was sentenced Thursday to more than three years in prison on the theft case and a 2011 theft case.

The prison time was suspended, and Gilbert was instead placed on three years probation and ordered to repay the $11,000, according to court records. He was also ordered to complete 100 hours of community service. NA Daytona Beach Area Schedule.

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article/4676646

NA Meetings Disrupts California Chico State University Student Neighborhood by Harassing Young Women

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This building on Cherry Street holds Narcotics Anonymous meetings in a student neighborhood. PHOTO BY TOM GASCOYNE

Here is another neighborhood having problems with NA Meetings. We can sure relate to this in our parks in Holly Hill Florida Volusia County. We have both AA and NA meetings with a long history of violating park rules and threatening and harassing citizens. I hope these Chico students can get some relief.

Compatibility concerns

Unease over location of Narcotics Anonymous meetings

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tomg@newsreview.com  This article was published on .

The landlords and parents of Chico State students who reside near the intersection of Cherry and Sixth streets are a bit up in arms these days over a new neighbor who’s moved into the building that for years housed Ed’s Printing.

The new neighbor is technically the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship, a local church that hosts Narcotics Anonymous meetings in the building. The meetings began in May. The building, located at 550 Cherry St., is owned by the “Gordon G. Living Grier Trust.”

The concerns voiced by the landlords and parents are directed at the people who come to the 17 weekly NA meetings, stand outside the building and smoke cigarettes, and, according to some, spread needles on the sidewalks. They also allegedly go through trash receptacles and make unsavory remarks to the young women who live nearby or walk past on their way to school. AA and NA Daytona Meetings in Port Orange and Holly Hill.

Robert Combs is the parent of a student currently attending Chico State. He says his daughter and roommate had to move out of a nearby house because of the presence of attendees at the NA meetings. Combs is a Chico State graduate and is president of the school’s Parent Advisory Council.

In an email titled “Has Chico Lost its Sense of Place?” Combs writes that his daughter “was very concerned to see those seeking counseling were loitering outside the facility prior to meetings, smoking, going through the students’ garbage and making lewd comments to our young adults, many of whom are on their own for the first time.” Continue reading →

Woman Stabs Boyfriend in the Heart with BBQ Fork Goes to Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings

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Woman who stabbed boyfriend with BBQ fork avoids prison, gets 90 days in jail

Victim who is ‘very lucky to be alive’ begs judge to keep ex-girlfriend out of prison.
HEATHER CHAPIN-FOWLER
AUG 14, 2013
A 27-year-old Wakeman woman was given jail time and ordered to pay her ex-boyfriend more than $18,000 in connection with stabbing him in the heart with a barbecue fork.

Katie Lou Brooks, of Ohio, was convicted of aggravated assault during a previous hearing of the Huron County Common Pleas Court.

Tuesday, a tearful Brooks apologized to the victim and his family for the injuries he sustained during a drunken domestic dispute at a Norwalk location.

The victim underwent open heart surgery to repair the damage done during the assault and medical reports indicate his body hasn’t fully recovered, Huron County Prosecutor Russell Leffler said during the hearing. NA Daytona meetings in Holly Hill Florida.

“I know what I did was very wrong. I understand violence isn’t the answer to anything. I am not a violent person,” Brooks told the court. AA Daytona meetings in Sunrise Park.

Since the incident in May, Brooks told the court she has been regularly attended Alcoholic Anonymous meetings, counseling and volunteering around Norwalk. “I’m trying to show I am not an evil person. That this was a mistake, a big mistake,” Brooks said. Continue reading →

‘Face Gnawer’ of Women Sentenced to AA Meetings after Pleading Guilty to Terrorist Threats, Indecent Exposure and More

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Oh God help us! Man who tackled women and gnawed thier faces, broke into a house, hit an EMT personal is mandated to AA Meetings. PLEASE,PLEASE do not send your kids or teens to AA/NA meetings. You never know who you will be sitting next to and told to hug and hold hands.

  • ‘Face gnawer’ is sentenced

  • Receives 90 days to 23 ½ months in prison
  • By Kelly Waters    Updated May. 2, 2013

  • — A man accused of gnawing at a woman’s face is now in jail.

    On Thursday morning in the Wayne County Courthouse, Richard Cimino, 21, was sentenced for an incident that occurred on Sept. 7, 2012.

    His total sentence from Judge Raymond Hamill is 90 days to 23-1/2 years in prison at the Wayne County Correctional Facility. Cimino also has to pay the cost of prosecution, pay $15,693.11 in restitution at a minimum of $200 a month, pay a $50 per month supervision fee, refrain from the use of drugs and alcohol, undergo drug and alcohol testing, attend a minimum of one AA meeting per week and pay a $200 fine for count 8, criminal mischief.

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Court Ordered AA Member Attempts To Remove Child from Elementary School

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Winchester man charged for trying to take child from school

Mandated AA Member James A. Tolson arrested for attempting to take child from elementary school. He had already been previosly mandated to AA.

Tolson is scheduled to be arraigned on Monday on his latest case. He was scheduled to be in Clark District Court Monday on a previous conviction for fourth-degree assault. He was convicted of alcohol intoxication, criminal mischief and assault in January after breaking out the windows of a woman’s car, pulling a knife and cutting her sister’s finger. He pleaded guilty, was sentenced to 180 days in jail with 150 of them conditionally discharged and was ordered to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and anger management classes

Winchester man charged for trying to take child from school

By Kendall Sparks  May 2, 2013
A Winchester man has been arrested after he went to Central Elementary School this morning and attempted to check out a child Continue reading →

Castle Huntly Prisoner Allowed Out to Attend AA Meetings Rapes 16 Year Old Girl

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Convicted for attempted murder of a policeman, Robert Foye was serving time at the Castle Huntly prison in Scotland built in 1452. He was allowed out to attend AA Meetings. He absconded  and raped a 16 year old girl.

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Alcoholics Anonymous Member Arrested For Assaulting A Police Officer

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Court mandated Tennessee AA Member Jennifer Lynn Boyance decided to get super drunk before her AA meeting, and never quite made it there. Instead she ended up being charged with assaulting a police officer! 

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Swat Team Called To The AA Arid Club For Man With a Loaded .22-caliber Hangun

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These Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings Are Getting more and more dangerous!

Armed Man Arrested at Las Cruces AA Club
By ABQnews Staff on Tue, Feb 28, 2012

A man wearing camouflage and body armor, armed with a loaded .22-caliber handgun, entered the Arid Club at 334 W. Griggs Ave. in Las Cruces around 2:30 p.m. Saturday, prompting a SWAT call-out that ended about an hour later with the man in custody, Las Cruces police said in a news release.

Noe Jimenez, 37, a convicted felon who admitted smoking methamphetamine before the incident and told hostage negotiators that he wanted to be killed by police, was struck by two beanbag rounds and sent to the ground, then struck a K-9 dog with a chair and punched the animal several times before a Taser was deployed and Jimenez was subdued, the release said.

Jimenez was being held at the Dona Ana County Detention Center on a $5,000 bond, facing one count each of possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and injury to a police dog, police said. Additional charges are possible.

Police said another person was inside the building for a short time after Jimenez entered but was able to leave unharmed after attempting to engage Jimenez in conversation.

Jimenez, who has placed the loaded gun on a countertop before SWAT officers entered the building, was also found to be in possession of nunchucks, the release said.

A search of his vehicle that was parked outside the club turned up an ammunition pouch with 45 additional rounds, police said.

The Arid Club is described as a treatment center in downtown Las Cruces and hosts meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous.

http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2012/02/28/abqnewsseeker/armed-man-arrested-at-las-cruces-aa-club.html

Alcoholics Anonymous Old Timer Sentenced In Ponzi Scheme

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Another AA Sponsor that bilked big bucks from the vulnerable he met at Alcoholics Anonymous Meetings. This actually hurt him at sentencing and he received the maximum sentence of 8 years in prison. Ponzi schemes seems rather common in Alcoholics Anonymous.

They go for the big money! This man had been well respected as a sponsor and looked up to in AA.

Do not loan people money in AA, or invest with people you meet in 12 step programs!

Ira Pressman

Bala Cynwyd resident Ira Pressman got eight years in prison.
By Eric Campbell February 13, 2012
After pleading guilty to engineering a Ponzi scheme that cost 23 people roughly $7 million, Bala Cynwyd resident Ira Pressman was all but certain to spend a few years in prison no matter what happened in his sentencing hearing.

The distinct circumstances of a few of those thefts, however, made certain that Pressman’s attorney was trying in vain to get a sentence on the lighter end of the spectrum.

John I. McMahon Jr. argued that Pressman’s years of supporting his fellow Alcoholics Anonymous members demonstrated he was someone who could find redemption. But in explaining Pressman’s sentence—97 months, the maximum under federal guidelines for the array of crimes he committed—U.S. District Judge Jan E. Dubois on Friday said Pressman’s AA legacy was ultimately a liability.

“Somewhat undercutting that good work is the fact you ended up defrauding two or three members of the program,” DuBois said, calling that aspect of Pressman’s behavior “particularly heinous.”

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Pressman joined an AA program on the Main Line after overdosing on cocaine Oct. 22, 1988, he told the court Friday, after DuBois had heard testimony from three former friends of Pressman’s who knew him through AA and lost money in his fraudulent investments. Though the victims gave their names in court, Patch is withholding their identities.

One victim who testified, a woman from Penn Valley, said she “grew to love Ira” as a fellow AA member for the past seven years. She invested with him but soon found herself losing faith, eventually screaming over the phone to him, “You really are a Bernie Madoff, aren’t you?”

Added the victim, in court: “I felt like picking up a drink just to calm myself down.”

When Pressman was charged, even AA members who hadn’t lost money to him were unnerved, the victim said: “People cried. It was as if someone pulled the rug out from under them. … Ira sponsored so many addicts and alcoholics.”

‘Most egregious’
A second victim testified, describing himself as an attorney who “was retired until this situation.” He, too, had lent Pressman money in 2010 after they “developed somewhat of a friendship” in AA.

He had had problems getting Pressman to pay him back for a smaller investment in 2004, he told the court, but he had enough faith in Pressman that he, against his better judgment, borrowed against his retirement fund when he was told more capital was needed.

“He was a man who had reconstructed his life, had many years of sobriety and was looked up to for advice for many people,” the victim said.

After weeks and months went on without the victim being paid back, Pressman finally told him he’d gone to the Montgomery County District Attorney’s office to come clean, the victim said.

“He essentially said, ‘Well, I’ve done some inappropriate things,'” the victim said. When asked to elaborate, Pressman told the victim his criminal attorney had advised against going into more detail, and he added that the victim could face unwelcome scrutiny of his tax returns if he reported Pressman on the federal level.

“I didn’t see any sense of remorse whatsoever,” the victim said.

Like DuBois, the victim took particular offense at Pressman involving AA friends in his scheme.

“People get the feeling that these are safe environments. That’s the most egregious part of this situation, that a lot of people opened up and were taken advantage of,” the victim said. “I really feel he should be given the maximum sentence permitted.”

A third victim from AA had pre-recorded testimony on video that was shown, off the record, at Friday’s hearing.

‘Sacred to me’
McMahon, Pressman’s attorney, pointed out that the vast majority of the victims were not in AA; Pressman himself said he knew the investors in various ways. McMahon also described a defendant who struggled with addiction beyond drugs and alcohol (such as debt and sex) and who had behaved well for the balance of his time in recovery.

“For 15 years, he lived a good life,” the attorney said. “It was the last three or four years when, obviously, that changed.”

Louis Lappen, representing the U.S. Attorney’s Office, dismissed the “diversions” of McMahon’s approach to the case.

“This defendant knew better,” Lappen said. “He’s a man who can operate legally and lawfully when he wants to, and when he gets in trouble, he steals.”

Pressman, in forest-green prison garb, told DuBois his problems stemmed in part from the fact he had stopped going to 12-step meetings a few years ago, instead attending religious and social engagements with his wife, who is now suing him for divorce.

Though he had “done all the things you’re told in AA not to do,” Pressman said, he hadn’t intentionally preyed on his vulnerable fellow addicts.

“I did not set out to defraud people in AA,” Pressman said. “AA is sacred to me.”

http://balacynwyd.patch.com/articles/betraying-his-aa-friends-hurts-ponzi-schemer-at-sentencing

Some Blacks Feel Alcoholics Anonymous Is Too White

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This article describes a black woman who refused to go to AA but did have support from her church. It brings up an interesting point that Blacks view that confessing your sins in AA, and airing your dirty laundry as foreign to them, and goes against their belief system. Actually I think many people of all races probably are not thrilled with this part of AA! It is also I think a very dangerous practice. Scientology practices this too.

AA does have a higher % of whites than blacks according to Alcoholics Anonymous Statistics. I know I have witnessed in Volusia County Drug Courts that the participants were predominately white, and they are mandated to AA/NA/CA. The meetings I have seen over the years in our Holly Hill Parks our also predominately white.So when I came across this article I found it interesting.

Of course the author of the article is of the opinion that the woman would of been better off going to AA, no mention of SMART that does NOT ask you to confess your sins.

Black Church

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‘This attitude is fairly common among African-Americans addicts in poor neighborhoods in most large US cities; ironically, while the biggest complaint about AA and NA among skeptical middle-class white addicts is the dependence on a Higher Power, in urban black communities 12-step recovery groups are marginalized because they aren’t explicitly allied with any church. In addition, the confessional mode of “sharing” that defines the AA fellowship is alien to the ethic of African- neighborhoods, where airing your dirty laundry in public is disappoved of rather than viewed as a method of establishing trust and fellowship. For the same reason, professional psychotherapy is frequently dismissed as a “white” treatment; given the church’s influence, mental health issues are widely viewed as caused by a lack of faith remedied by more regular attendance at Bible study.

When I was new to doing social work in the black community, this widespread attitude confused me and frustrated my efforts to help my black clients. An an ex-junkie, I could vow for the benefits to be gained from both recovery groups and therapy. A North Philly church lady coworker set me straight. “A lot of black don’t feel that AA and therapy are alien to everything they know,” she told me. “If you got problems you just go to church on Sunday and scream your head off and then everything’s fine.”

But for Susan, it turned out, everything wasn’t fine. While Jesus and the church were pulling her in one direction, the judicial system had made an unwelcome appearance and was pulling her in another. The entire time Susan was in prison, the state of Pennsylvania was running a tab on all the welfare dollars her mother received in her children’s names. Consequently, per state law, Susan was held responsible for the total amount upon her release, and soon the welfare department came calling to get its money back.’

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http://www.thefix.com/content/AME%20black%20church-AA-white-addiction-North%20Philadelphia8811?page=all

Toronto AA Member Tortures And Sexually Assaults Fellow Alcoholics Anonymous Member

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Warning: This story contains graphic material that may disturb some readers.
This poor man who was attending an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, had no idea how his life would change forever by befriending a man he met at the Toronto AA meeting. He invited John Siscoe back to his home to celebrate New Year’s Eve with his wife to share chips and pop. John Siscoe had a criminal record and drug and alcohol issues while attending AA. Probably court mandated no doubt. The horror that ensued is very hard to read. Let this be a wake-up call to those that think AA meetings are just a benevolent group, lovingly supporting one another. There is a very dark side to Alcoholics Anonymous that people need to be warned about. This man was tortured and nearly lost his life. It is considered one of the most heinous crimes in Toronto’s history! All by an Alcoholics Anonymous Member.
Update- It was Jan Foster and Robert Canavan that went to the police to report their concerns. Thank goodness they did!
John Michael Siscoe, 40, and the victim’s wife, 30, quietly pleaded guilty earlier this week in the Superior Court of Justice to a slew of charges, including endangering a life and sexual assault causing bodily harm.

Man brutally tortured by his wife and her boyfriend in Toronto apartment

Tortured mercilessly by his own wife and her new boyfriend, victim was too broken to escape

Toronto Star

Jayme Poisson, Liam Casey Fri Jan 13 2012

 John Michael Siscoe, 40, and the victim’s wife, 30, quietly pleaded guilty earlier this week in the Superior Court of Justice to a slew of charges, including endangering a life and sexual assault causing bodily harm.

It took 75 minutes Thursday for Crown Attorney Paul Leishman to read aloud in court the 25 pages detailing one of the most heinous crimes in Toronto’s history — one man, confined to a closet and brutally tortured, physically, sexually and psychologically, over the course of three months.

His body cut with razor blades and beaten with hammers and broom handles until they broke. Lighter fluid poured over his skin, and then set on fire. Cartilage ripped from his ears with a pair of pliers. Pins pierced through his lips, sealing his mouth. Bleeding wounds cauterized with hot knives or sewn up with a needle and thread.

Those responsible for the horrific abuse were the man’s own wife and her new boyfriend. The location was a cramped one-bedroom basement apartment in the city’s west end.

John Michael Siscoe, 40, and the victim’s wife, 30, quietly pleaded guilty earlier this week in the Superior Court of Justice to a slew of charges, including endangering a life and sexual assault causing bodily harm, from Oct. 31, 2009 until police rescued the man on Jan. 19, 2010.

Responding to a call from concerned area residents, they found the victim huddled in the dark bedroom closet, naked, shivering, malnourished and with grotesque wounds.

He had five fractured ribs, two collapsed lungs, facial fractures, abrasions and burns all over his body. Pictures taken after he was found show what resembles a man’s face, but black, blue and bloated to three times its normal size. His eyes were swollen shut as pus and plasma oozed from his wounds.

On Thursday afternoon, as the agreed-upon “horrible litany of facts” was read out, only a handful of people were in the courtroom at 361 University Ave.

They heard a story of a victim whose spirit was so broken that he never tried to escape and who, even when rescued, continued to protect his torturers.

The court ordered a ban on publication of anything that would tend to identify the victim, who is still legally married to the woman in the dock. At the time of the abuse all three were living together in Toronto and she was pregnant with Siscoe’s child.

The story started back in 2005, in a small town southeast of Vancouver. The victim and his wife married in a back yard civil ceremony. Pictures from a Facebook account reveal a smiling couple surrounded by family. They lived off disability insurance — she handled the bills while he cooked.

Starting in 2008, the relationship soured. She was unfaithful and took to the Internet to chat with other men. In December of that year, at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, the victim met Siscoe, a short, solid man with jet black hair, prior convictions and a history of drug and alcohol abuse. They became acquaintances and he invited Siscoe to spend New Year’s Eve with him and his wife.

Entire Story-

http://www.thespec.com/news/ontario/article/653834–man-brutally-tortured-by-his-wife-and-her-boyfriend-in-toronto-apartment

Another article describing in horrific detail of the torture by Toronto AA Member-

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/national/Toronto+brutally+tortured

+months+wife+boyfriend/5994089/story.html

Article discussing the possible psychological makeup of Siscoe

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1115478–man-tortured-in-a-closet-raises-disturbing-questions?bn=1

Photo of closet where man was forced to live-This is the closet where a man was trapped for more than three months while enduring horrific assaults.

Picture of couples room with babies bassinet !

Utah AA member Raped by AA Member She Met At Meeting

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Provo Utah man 29, arrested for rape. He had met her at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. Woman, teens and children are not safe in AA meetings! Regardless of what AA themselves will tell you. In fact they are trying to get more teens within their fold-despite of the known dangers of dangerous felons and sexual predators being mandated by the judicial system.

OREM — Police arrested a Provo man who they say raped a woman he met through Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.

The woman came to police Tuesday to report that she had been assaulted by a man she met a month earlier in her AA meetings, according to a police affidavit filed in 4th District Court.

The woman said the 29-year-old man came to her apartment while she was sleeping and woke her up and began to fondle her breasts, according to the affidavit.

She told him to stop and tried to push him away, but he held her down and kneeled on her already broken ankle while he sexually assaulted her, police said.

The man was contacted by police and agreed to come in for an interview, according to the affidavit. He allegedly admitted to having sex with the victim and even admitted that she told him to stop, but told police he didn’t do anything wrong, according to the affidavit.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705314537/Provo-man-arrested-in-rape.html

AA Member Brutally Rapes Woman He Met at Alcoholics Anonymous

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AA Member who met a woman at an AA meeting brutally rapes her. He had a past criminal history of sexually assaulting another woman in 2004 that he also met at an AA meeting.

Crown breaks down describing rape victim’s devastation

By: Mike McIntyre

Posted: 03/30/2010 1:00 AM

A Manitoba Crown attorney wept Monday as she described how a rape victim has been devastated by the attack.

Jocelyn Ritchot had to pause several times as she struggled to read a statement on behalf of the woman, whose 46-year-old former boyfriend pleaded guilty to several charges. He was sentenced to three years in prison in addition to 18 months of time already served. His name isn’t being published to protect the identity of the victim.

“I trusted you. I cared for you. I only wanted the best for you. Why, why, why?” the woman wrote. “Emotionally I felt dirty, used, guilty that somehow I allowed it to happen, and very degraded. I feel like my soul has been robbed.”

The victim — who wasn’t present for the sentencing hearing — began dating the man after they met at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in 2007, court was told. They ended their romance in July 2008 but continued to be friends. However, everything changed when the woman went to his Beausejour-area home in September 2008 and found him intoxicated.

“I wanted to help him. I felt sorry for him. Then it became a nightmare,” she wrote.

The man put duct tape over her face, bound her hands and legs together and then sodomized her. He also demanded she call her 18-year-old daughter to come over so he could sexually assault her while she watched. She was repeatedly beaten when she refused. The man also threatened to hit her with a lead pipe.

“No mother should ever be put in that position,” Ritchot told court. “He had no regard for the feelings or personal integrity of the victim.”

Rest of story-

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/crown-breaks-down-describing-rape-victims-devastation-89494252.html

Alcoholics Anonymous Blames The Victim Of Sexual Abuse

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This is just heartbreaking and typical AA mantra of the “what was your part in it” line. It is not an uncommon line when you are sexually harassed at meetings and complain.
Alcoholics Anonymous does nothing to prevent sexual abuse by their members.
They actually invite sexual predators to meetings along with children and teens!
                                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcGtSzd9Tzo