Alcoholics Anonymous and Narcotics Anonymous a Gathering Place for Predators by Amber Weinacht Yahoo Contributer

So glad this excellent article writes about the 12 step organizations of AA and NA.

A Gathering Place for Predators

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What if, at the lowest time in your life, those who are supposed to help you, prey on you? It happens every day, in countless AA and NA rooms across the world. The story has the same lame routine and ring to it every time. The new, freshly sober gal comes to a meeting, hoping for clarity and a new way of life, and before you know it, there’s a man schmoozing her up, trying to get on her good side, with more than just good intentions at hand. This has been termed “13th stepping” and most women new to the program have no idea what 13th stepping even is. The one thing most freshly sobered up AA and NA patrons usually don’t count on is meeting other people who are more sick than themselves. They come in with rose colored glasses on, ready to see the world with new eyes and never figure that the problems they might encounter in the rooms themselves may be as bad or worse than the problems they already have. The question is, why don’t the old-timers and those who have been around the program for a while help these women? Better yet, why doesn’t the World Board in both programs set forth clear rules on this issue?  AA and NA Daytona Meetings in Holly Hill, Daytona Beach, Ormond Beach.Those within the walls of AA and NA include those that want to be sober and are there of their own free will, those that aren’t sure if they even have a problem but want to check out a meeting or two, those ordered to attend by judges in cases such as drunk driving, and then there are those who have to come as part of a treatment program for other problems such as sexual crimes or other felonies they have committed. There are countless felons in AA, who by all standards are not all bad, but there are those who have committed sexual abuse, there those that have tried to kill their wives and girlfriends, those who have raped, and pedophiles. The list goes on and on. Perhaps judges in criminal courtrooms should stop ordering those who have committed sexual offenses into these programs and instead insist that they get individual counseling or inpatient treatment. Sadly, that wouldn’t entirely solve the problem even if such orders were issued however, because once those with sexual addictions figure out that meetings are a place to meet vulnerable women, they keep going back, even after court ordered sanctions have ended.Frequently in the rooms, people say, “Keep your own side of the street clean, and take your own inventory.” What this means essentially is don’t worry about what others are doing. It is none of your concern. This is precisely the response that one newcomer got from from the World Board of NA after calling to call attention to a man with seventeen years of sobriety that made 13th stepping a regular habit. “What this man does is single out the newcomers. He’s around fifty years old and keeps an eye open for any fresh meat that comes through the doors. Doesn’t matter their age. They could be his age, or even under 18. If they look good to him, he pounces. He got to me when I had about thirty days sober. What these guys do is take women like me who have to leave everything behind in order to start a new life, and they sort of brainwash us I guess, make us feel like we can depend on someone and that all is not lost. What eventually ends up happening is that these girls and women build their foundation upon him and other men like him, and eventually they find out that not only is he lying to her, he’s screwing just about every other chick in the room. I’ve talked to women who wanted to kill themselves over this guy, and let me be real clear about this, it’s not just the guy that makes them feel this way. It’s the head game. These women are already at their lowest and desperately just need to feel like someone cares and we all know that’s human nature. This one man in particular is known on a national level in NA and has even gone as far as to pick up a sponsor on the World Board. I have no doubt that was intentional. He serves on state boards in Nebraska and attends national conferences where he is invited to speak often. Everyone knows about him, and when I called the World Board to report him and the damage he was causing, I was essentially told to go call someone who cares, that they don’t take anyone’s inventory. This isn’t a joke. The guy has something like 14 felonies, is one of the most manipulative men I’ve ever met and people just laugh it off while high-fiving him for being the guy that has three girlfriends in every state in the U.S. Meanwhile women keep relapsing over it. Some have relapsed over and over because he just doesn’t stop. This one guy and his actions have the potential to kill several, and he’s only one of hundreds, if not thousands who are lurking,” said one anonymous NA member. Continue reading

AA Member Troy Stills Kidnaps People to Get Ride To Kill His Ex-Wife and Children

This AA member thought it was a good idea to stop by his AA Sponsors house after kidnapping his mother and her boyfriend. Crazy people in AA!

Man Accused Of Tying Up And Kidnapping Two People In Grayson County

GRAYSON COUNTY, TX — A West Texas man is accused of taking two people on a wild ride after tying them up with cords.

Troy Stills, 30, of Roby, Tex., was indicted on two counts of aggravated kidnapping.  According to court documents, Stills tied up his mom and her boyfriend in June while he was staying on their property, using cords from a lamp and a hot plate.

He allegedly told them he wanted a ride to abilene to kill his ex-wife and children because he was told he couldn’t see them.

They wound up at his Alcoholics Anonymous sponsor’s house near Van Alstyne, where he got out, and the alleged victims got away, documents state.

Stills is being held in lieu of $150,000 bond while awaiting trial.  If convicted, he could face from five years to life in prison.

http://www.kten.com/story/23724037/man-allegedly-ties-up-and-kidnaps-relatives-in-grayson-county

AA Sponsor Convicted of 24 Counts Of Sex Abuse of Children he was Sponsoring in Alcoholics Anonymous California

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In 2009, Poizner was a volunteer counselor at Pacific Health Systems, a substance abuse rehabilitation center. There, he introduced himself to and befriended adolescent boys who were attending Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and other group meetings, telling one of the boys he was there to help keep himself sober and assist other teenage boys. He then brought the boys to his apartment where he committed acts summarized below and for which he was convicted of the above-referenced offenses. At trial, each victim testified about Poizner’s conduct and touching, and the circumstances that otherwise led to the charges against him. Like Poizner’s opening brief, our factual summary focuses mainly on the evidence supporting the felony sexual assault offenses against Austin G., Brandon P., Evan W., and Andrew D.

Robert Poizner convicted on 24 counts of sex abuse towards children with at least two 13 year old boys he was taking to Alcoholics Anonymous as an AA Sponsor, while they were under the care of Pacific Health Systems in National City, California.

Lawsuit claims National City treatment facility did not protect young patients

Robert Poizner convicted of molesting patients

Posted: 10/17/2013 Vanessa Van Hyfte  | Email Me

NATIONAL CITY, Calif. – A lawsuit has been filed against a treatment facility in National City after one of its volunteer counselors was convicted of sexually abusing young patients.

Robert Poizner was convicted of 24 counts of sex abuse against children, and two of his victims were 13-year-old patients at Pacific Health Systems, a facility that treats a variety of mental health issues and additions.

According to court documents obtained by 10News, Poizner was a volunteer at PHS and was supposed to be taking teenage boys to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. Instead, he took them back to his apartment and molested them, the documents stated.

“The program requires for them to get an AA sponsor … We do a lot of these cases; I’ve seen these predators, it’s unbelievable. They know where to go and which kids they can groom. These are vulnerable kids and they are at their most vulnerable state, and PHS had an obligation to keep these kids safe and they failed in this regard,” said attorney Stephen Estey, who is now representing one of Poizner’s teenage victims.

The suit alleges PHS did not do enough to protect its young patients.

Estey said by law, the facility is required to conduct criminal background screenings on anyone working or volunteering with children. Poizner had several felony convictions ranging from burglaries to three “peeping Tom” charges, where a judge had ordered him to a year in a sex offender program.

“If the facility uses volunteers, they are obligated to screen them and supervise them too, and they did neither,” said Estey.

According to court documents, Poizner offered the boys cigarettes and pornography. He lured the boys to his home, where he gained access to two of their friends, who he also sexually assaulted, the documents said. Continue reading

Halloween Night Probation Officers Instruct Sex Offenders To Attend AA and NA Meetings

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Please don’t drag your kids to AA or NA Halloween night! Actually anytime is really  very scary………….

 Probation Officers have  instructed sex offenders to attend an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting or Narcotics Anonymous meeting during the peak trick or treating time period! Children and minors attend AA and NA Meetings! What are they thinking?!

Sex offenders on probation across the state received unannounced visits Halloween night from their Probation Officers to ensure that they did not open their doors to trick or treaters.

Probation Officers had taken a number of precautionary measures to prevent sex offenders on probation from coming into contact with children, 16 and under, this Halloween.

In addition to the unannounced visits Sunday evening, Probation Officers began warning sex offenders over the past two weeks to not answer their doors, turn on porch lights, or set-up Halloween decorations outside of their homes.

 Probation Officers have also instructed the offenders to attend an AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) or NA (Narcotics Anonymous) meeting during the peak trick or treating time period.

http://www.mass.gov/courts/probation/pr110210.html

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Homeless AA Member Bank Robber Commits Suicide

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AA Member Gary Thomas Stewart committed suicide after police tracked hm down at a hotel after robbing a bank. It is reported he had a long history of drug and alcohol abuse. Most likely mandated to AA and NA meetings numerous times.

Bank robbery suspect dies of self-inflicted gunshot

Gary Thomas Stewart, bank robbery suspect

A homeless man suspected of robbing an East Naples bank at gunpoint Monday morning turned the gun on himself when Collier County sheriff’s deputies tracked him down at a Naples hotel later that day.

Gary Stewart, 55, died of the self-inflicted gunshot wound at Lee Memorial Hospital.

Less than an hour before the robbery, Stewart had attended an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting with others from the St. Matthew’s House homeless shelter, another resident said. After the meeting, he left on his bike.

Wearing a long-sleeve shirt and a black ski mask, authorities believe Stewart walked into the Wells Fargo 125 N. Airport-Pulling Road just before 10 a.m., and demanded money from a teller at gunpoint.

Stewart spotted deputies as they approached the hotel room where he was holed up later that day, reports said. Deputies reported hearing gunfire. When they eventually entered the room, they reported finding Stewart suffering from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

“It’s a loss,” said James Henry, a St. Matthew’s House resident who knew Stewart and happened to be in the bank at the time it was robbed. “It’s sad that his life had to end like that.”

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/oct/13/week-in-review-sand-haul-trucks-ready-to-go-for/?partner=RSS

Man Gets Probation and Sentenced to AA Meetings for Beating his Children

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Another violent man gets the get out jail AA card.

Bay County man gets probation for attack on children, attempting to fight police

By Cole Waterman | cwaterma@mlive.com 
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on October 04, 2013

BAY CITY, MI — A Hampton Township father who police say fought with them after attacking his two children has avoided jail, though contact with his children is still forbidden.

Bay County Chief District Judge Timothy J. Kelly on Tuesday, Oct. 1, sentenced Robert E. Kribs, 42, to one year of probation, with 90 days in jail deferred. While on probation, Kribs is to attend Alcoholics Anonymous meetings once a week, submit to alcohol and drug testing, continue receiving mental health counseling and not have any sort of contact with his children.

Kelly is to review the no-contact provision in December.

Kribs in August pleaded no contest to single counts of domestic violence, attempted resisting or obstructing police and attempted interference with an electronic communications device. In exchange for his pleas, the prosecution dismissed two counts of domestic violence, second offense, and single counts of exciting a disturbance, interfering with an electronic communications device and assault, resisting or obstructing police. Continue reading

Woman Went to AA Meetings Before Being Sentenced to 30 Months for Stabbing Boyfriend

Men look out for this woman in AA meetings!

Woman who stabbed boyfriend gets 30-month sentence

Andrew Robinson Published on October 3rd 2013

A woman who was found guilty of stabbing her boyfriend in the stomach with a bread knife and burning him with water used to boil vegetables has been sentenced to 30 months plus one day in jail.

 Kathryn Patricia Saunders, 47, appeared in St. John’s provincial court as Judge James Walsh announced his decision. She faced 16 charges in all and entered guilty pleas for some of them. On the charges of assault with a weapon and assault causing bodily harm, Saunders claimed during her trial in August those actions were in self-defense. Continue reading